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aaaxxx

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posted 03 March 2003 20:48     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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EnglishWife

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posted 03 March 2003 21:23     Click Here to See the Profile for EnglishWife     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ttt111

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posted 03 March 2003 21:29     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Smotrya kakuiu visu vi hotite poluchit'. Esli vi podaete na work permit I imeli otkazi na gostevie visi - to togda skoree vsego problem ne budet, esli zhe vi hotite gostevuiu visu poluchit' - to togda pointeresuiutsa pochemu vam otkazali, resultat tut budet nepredskazuemii.

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aaaxxx

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posted 03 March 2003 21:33     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ttt111:
Smotrya kakuiu visu vi hotite poluchit'. Esli vi podaete na work permit I imeli otkazi na gostevie visi - to togda skoree vsego problem ne budet, esli zhe vi hotite gostevuiu visu poluchit' - to togda pointeresuiutsa pochemu vam otkazali, resultat tut budet nepredskazuemii.


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ttt111

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posted 05 March 2003 19:28     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ser'eznii otkaz - eto kak? Razve ne 214(b)?

Slozhnii vopros, dadut li vam studencheskuiu visu v UK - ne pontyatno. Esli otkaz 214(b) - voobshem-to shanci est', esli otkaz "immigration fraud" - tut navernoe dela gorazdo huzhe.

PS: v UK visa application nado ukazivat' otkazi v drugie strani, esli ne ukazhete, to eto immigration fraud, togda vam srazu otlup dadut i potom budet problem mnogo. communikiruiut li oni - ne znaiu. znaiu chto tol'ko otkazi v USA po 214(b) ne vliyaiut na poluchenie WP.

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aaaxxx

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posted 06 March 2003 14:24     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ttt111:
[B]Ser'eznii otkaz - eto kak? Razve ne 214(b)?

Slozhnii vopros, dadut li vam studencheskuiu visu v UK - ne pontyatno. Esli otkaz 214(b) - voobshem-to shanci est', esli otkaz "immigration fraud" - tut navernoe dela gorazdo huzhe.

PS: v UK visa application nado ukazivat' otkazi v drugie strani, esli ne ukazhete, to eto immigration fraud, togda vam srazu otlup dadut i potom budet problem mnogo. communikiruiut li oni - ne znaiu. znaiu chto tol'ko otkazi v USA po 214(b) ne vliyaiut na poluchenie WP.

- UK consulate, - . fraud. fault , . - . ;-(((((((

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ttt111

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posted 06 March 2003 18:04     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
V consulstve ne bivaet prosto "fraud", tam bivaet "immigration fraud" - eto samoe ser'eznoe narushenie immigratsionnih zakonov I v'ezd v USA vam zakrit pozhiznenno. V applicatsii na UK visu vam nuzhno budet napisat' - bili li u vas otkazi v visah v drugie strani. Vam nuzhno budet ukazat' USA. U moego znakomo bil otkaz v USA, no 214(b) (nedostatochno ties k rodnoi strane) - ego spetsialno rassprashivali chto I kak bilo, on bil neskol'ko udivlen, mol, eto zhe vsego 214(b) - emu otvetili, a mozhet vam tam otkazali za fraud I vi nam tut tozhe vrete.

T.e. mne kazhetsa situatsia takaya: esli vi vse chestno napishite - vam otkazhut, esli skroete fact togo chto u vas bil otkaz - eskli vskroetsa, to vas uzhe I v Angliu ne pustyat.

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aaaxxx

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posted 06 March 2003 18:39     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ttt111:
V consulstve ne bivaet prosto "fraud", tam bivaet "immigration fraud" - eto samoe ser'eznoe narushenie immigratsionnih zakonov I v'ezd v USA vam zakrit pozhiznenno. V applicatsii na UK visu vam nuzhno budet napisat' - bili li u vas otkazi v visah v drugie strani. Vam nuzhno budet ukazat' USA. U moego znakomo bil otkaz v USA, no 214(b) (nedostatochno ties k rodnoi strane) - ego spetsialno rassprashivali chto I kak bilo, on bil neskol'ko udivlen, mol, eto zhe vsego 214(b) - emu otvetili, a mozhet vam tam otkazali za fraud I vi nam tut tozhe vrete.

T.e. mne kazhetsa situatsia takaya: esli vi vse chestno napishite - vam otkazhut, esli skroete fact togo chto u vas bil otkaz - eskli vskroetsa, to vas uzhe I v Angliu ne pustyat.


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posted 07 March 2003 04:58     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
a kakie u vas tam bukvochki to? napishite, a mi zakon posmotrim. fraud - voobshe-to pozhiznennii zapret.

postaraites' podgotovitsa, zhelatel'no dokumental'no i kak mozhno ubeditel'no - chto v USA consul'stve prosto proizoshlo kakoe-to nedorazumenie.

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aaaxxx

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posted 09 March 2003 13:13     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ttt111:
a kakie u vas tam bukvochki to? napishite, a mi zakon posmotrim. fraud - voobshe-to pozhiznennii zapret.

postaraites' podgotovitsa, zhelatel'no dokumental'no i kak mozhno ubeditel'no - chto v USA consul'stve prosto proizoshlo kakoe-to nedorazumenie.


121(A)6 C i - . nightmarah - come on ! come on! :-) experience. case US. . UK - . :-(

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ttt111

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posted 10 March 2003 02:25     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Skoree vsego vasha stat'ya: 212(a)6(C), a ne "121" kak vi ukazali. Eto is est' "immigration fraud". K sozhaleniu vam zapretili v'ezd v USA pozhiznenno. Hotya waiver avaialble, no ego poluchit' mozhno tol'ko esli u vas budet US citizen spouse kotorii 1) bez vas zhit' ne mozhet ( po financovim i meditsinskim pokazaniam ) 2) ne mozhet zhit' s vami v kakoi-libo drugoi strane. t.e. real'no ego poluchit' kraine i kraine slozhno.

Da, inogda za oshibki nado rasplachivat'sa vsiu zhizn'.

Ya bi vam sovetoval zabit' pro ameriku i podaumat' na temu drugih stran - no podoiti k voprosu otvetstvenno, bez oshibok.

Svyazhites' s UK advokatom, obyasnite emu vashu situatsiu v detalyah - pust' on vam podskazhet kak mozhno poprobovat' poluchti' visu v angliu tak chto bi ne popast' pod pozhiznennii zapret na v'ezd eshe i tuda.


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212(a) Classes of Aliens Ineligible for Visas or Admission.-Except as otherwise provided in this Act, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:

(6) Illegal entrants and immigration violators.-

(C) Misrepresentation.-

(i) In general.-Any alien who, by fraud or willfully misrepresenting a material fact, seeks to procure (or has sought to procure or has procured) a visa, other documentation, or admission into the United States or other benefit provided under this Act is inadmissible.

(ii) 9/ FALSELY CLAIMING CITIZENSHIP-

(I) IN GENERAL- Any alien who falsely represents, or has falsely represented, himself or herself to be a citizen of the United States for any purpose or benefit under this Act (including section 274A) or any other Federal or State law is inadmissible.

(II) EXCEPTION- In the case of an alien making a representation described in subclause (I), if each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization), the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16, and the alien reasonably believed at the time of making such representation that he or she was a citizen, the alien shall not be considered to be inadmissible under any provision of this subsection based on such representation.

(iii) Waiver authorized.-For provision authorizing waiver of clause (i), see subsection (I).

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ttt111

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posted 10 March 2003 22:18     Click Here to See the Profile for ttt111   Click Here to Email ttt111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
v printsipe, u vas est' eshe odna vozmozhnost', esli vse zhe vse bilo chestno s vashei stroroni - prosto kakie-to nakladki proizoshli ili eshe chto-to tam gde vashei vini destvitel'no net (ya zhe detalei ne znaiu) i vi schitaete chto otkaz po stat'e "immigration fraud" ( "misrepresentation") bil ne pravomeren, to vi vprave poprosit' "advisory opinion" ot Department of State. V etom sluchae kraine zhelatel'no vospolzovat'sa uslugami advocata. Esli "advisory opinion" budet v vashu pol'zu, to Consul, kotorii vam vlepil otkaz, prakticheski odnoznachno peresmotrim vashe delo. Visu to on konechno srazu ne pobezhit v vash pasport vklenivat', no zamenit' otkaz na chto nibud' bezobidnoe, tipa "isufficient documentation". T.e. vi stanete chistimi kak pered Amerikantsami, tak i pered vsemi ostal'nimi.

Hotya konechno Dept Of State imeet pravo tol'ko proveryat' intrpretatsiu zakona, no tem ne menee v takih ser'eznih cases kak vash, osobenno s uchetom chto nakazanie samoe zhestkoe - oni vse zhe mogut rassmotret' vashu situatsiu i sdelat' recomendatsiu Consulu. Consul konechno tozhe ne obyazan sledovat' rekomendatsii Dept of State, osbenno kogda Dept Of State daet recomendatsii po factam kotorie nahodyatsa v ego, consula, otvetstvennosti - no obichno vse zhe im sleduiut.

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aaaxxx

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posted 11 March 2003 13:28     Click Here to See the Profile for aaaxxx   Click Here to Email aaaxxx     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ttt111:
v printsipe, u vas est' eshe odna vozmozhnost', esli vse zhe vse bilo chestno s vashei stroroni - prosto kakie-to nakladki proizoshli ili eshe chto-to tam gde vashei vini destvitel'no net (ya zhe detalei ne znaiu) i vi schitaete chto otkaz po stat'e "immigration fraud" ( "misrepresentation") bil ne pravomeren, to vi vprave poprosit' "advisory opinion" ot Department of State. V etom sluchae kraine zhelatel'no vospolzovat'sa uslugami advocata. Esli "advisory opinion" budet v vashu pol'zu, to Consul, kotorii vam vlepil otkaz, prakticheski odnoznachno peresmotrim vashe delo. Visu to on konechno srazu ne pobezhit v vash pasport vklenivat', no zamenit' otkaz na chto nibud' bezobidnoe, tipa "isufficient documentation". T.e. vi stanete chistimi kak pered Amerikantsami, tak i pered vsemi ostal'nimi.

Hotya konechno Dept Of State imeet pravo tol'ko proveryat' intrpretatsiu zakona, no tem ne menee v takih ser'eznih cases kak vash, osobenno s uchetom chto nakazanie samoe zhestkoe - oni vse zhe mogut rassmotret' vashu situatsiu i sdelat' recomendatsiu Consulu. Consul konechno tozhe ne obyazan sledovat' rekomendatsii Dept of State, osbenno kogda Dept Of State daet recomendatsii po factam kotorie nahodyatsa v ego, consula, otvetstvennosti - no obichno vse zhe im sleduiut.



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